Is YouTube Really Kicking People off YouTube Channels?

Is YouTube kicking people off YouTube for no reason? Paul Myers, Darren Rose and Paul Colligan all say yes! I say yes, but with good reason: Using YouTube spammer software….

Paul Myers had this to say today in his email newsletter today….



Then there’s YouTube, which has dumped thousands of user accounts over the past few weeks. Some are just full of garbage, but others I’m familiar with were largely quality content. The main thing they tend to have in common is that they’re related in some way to doing business online.

Trying to access videos from these closed accounts has often led to the notice that the account was shut down because it
contained spammy, scammy, or deceptive business information. In at least some instances, those claims are simply not true.

ProBlogger / Darren Rose who got kicked off YouTube had this to say and Paul Colligan has had more to say on the subject too…..

Here is what a kicked off YouTube account looks like…

kicked off youtube warning

I told you there would be a YouTube slapdown coming just like I told you there would be a social bookmarking slap down for Christmas 2008. You knew both were coming, I hope you listened….

IMPORTANT: Before I go farther I want to say that I in now way accuse Paul Colligan, Darren Rose or anyone else of doing what I am about to describe. You decide.

UDATE: I just got off the phone with a local Phoenix, AZ SEO guy. He said all his clients using TubeThumper and TubeFool all got their accounts kicked of YouTube in the last few weeks. More proof YouTube spammer software will get you banned!

I flat out call BullShit on the excuses I have heard about being kicked off YouTube

Paul Colligan is behind YouTube Secret Weapon, they have not been kicked off YouTube. I actively sell a product on How To Get More Views On YouTube.

The reason I believe Google is shutting YouTube accounts is they are using spammer software to push the videos.

OR….

They are actively manipulating the YouTube algo to increase views, ratings and comments to get higher rankings in Google.

There was just a round of new software that flooded YouTube thru 2 different YouTube products around the first of the year. They add friends automatically, post comments, and subscribe to other accounts to get notice and get views.

This mostly came from a product called “Dominating Video” and the accompanying spammer software called TubeFool.

Also buying views, comments and likes will get you kicked of YouTube too. If you are doing this stupid stuff, then stop now while you are ahead and still have an active YouTube channel.

Users of this junk are the ones getting kicked off YouTube. I have a YouTube mastermind group full of my best YouTube peeps, none of us have been kicked off YouTube. Why? Be cause I teach my people how to get YouTube rankings without spamming their friends.

I have an email list dedicated to YouTube news. Out of the hundreds there I know, none have been kicked off YouTube either.

This YouTube house cleaning goes right along with the Google Panda Update. None of my clients got hit and none of my sites did either to the Farmer / Panda udpate. Why? Because we don’t spam Google. So if you hear people bitching they lost their rankings in Google or their YouTube channels disappeared, then remember, spammers never tell you they send spam, they just brag about how well they are doing on YouTube….

29 Comments

  1. Posted June 23, 2011 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Haven’t heard of anyone being kicked off for no reason.

  2. Posted June 23, 2011 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Some very valid points Chris. As always, you hit the nail on the head.

  3. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Well, I HAVE heard of YouTube closing down video channels that didn’t violate any of those things: that did NOT use automated scripts of ANY kind, did not spam, had excellent quality content and many subscribers…no warning, no reason, no appeal!!!

    The lack of TRUE customer service will come back to bite some of these mega-sites some day.

  4. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Hi Chris – the problem with this and working with clients is that slow and steady wins the race BUT they hear day in and day out that they should:

    Be getting 1,000,000 blog hits a month AND have 100,000 likes on facebook and 10,000 youtube hits a day.

    We also use white hat for our peeps but sometime I want to go to the dark side just so I don’t have to have the same “spammers do that” conversation every week!!!

  5. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Hey Stevie, so far I have not heard from anyone I KNOW who has gotten kicked off.

    I did just get off the phone with a local consultant that uses blackhat stuff and ALL his clients using software got kicked off.

    Just like in any house cleaning, sometimes the baby goes out with the bath water.

  6. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Hi Tara, I think this house cleaning will get the point across. I am waiting to hear from my YouTube mastermind group to see if any of them got hit.

    You are definitely right Tara, look at all the big YouTube channels like Phil DeFranco and Ray William Johnson, they built their channels slow and easy since 2006.

  7. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Also we believe REAL YouTube users that participate on YouTube will be fine. YouTube accounts that do nothing but work in their own self interest my well get hit.

    I mean like have you ever heard of Darren Rose / Problogger commenting on YouTube channels? We will never know now, but I believe real users that participate will be fine….

  8. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    @Chris I hear ya’. But this friend of mine had almost 300 videos up, great content, thousands of views and used no automation of any kind…all gone overnight…no explanation, no appeal…

    Although these mega-sites that build entirely on user-generated content have great benefits, there is a dark side to using them as one’s primary marketing method (without backups). They can, and do, delete accounts, sometimes for no apparent reason, frequently with no recourse for the person whose account is deleted. It’s the height of arrogance and in the long-term, a terrible business practice. In the short term, the bullies win…In the long term…I hope not. After all, David DID kill Goliath.

  9. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Remember Stevie, this is what killed Digg, they cleaned house and DID throw the baby out with the bath water….

  10. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Hey Chris, as a youtube partner, I have been steadily building my subs list to close to 5000 and making 100’s a month from Google, and I do not think that I will have any problems. But if you spam, you will probably get hit.

  11. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Also Youtube has to watch itself, with people like Don Lapre (Remember him?!?) just getting busted by the Feds, they do not want to be seen as hosting any scams.

  12. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    that is a good point that spammers won’t be telling us any time soon that that is what they were doing. I never looked at it like that. Personally I hate getting stuff from those automated accounts so I am glad they are getting slapped.
    I am not sure if slapping someone because they do not interact is a great thing however. There are many blogs out there where the blogger does not interact more than putting up the content.

  13. Posted June 23, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    From what I’ve learned from you, Chris, Google and the like are all about finding and ridding the net of spam, in whatever indicators they use to detect it. The panda update is the latest manifestation of this ideology where it hit lots of people and businesses, and it makes sense that if they can detect spammy software on youtube, they’ll do the same. The smart people who are whitehat (or even “grey hat”) will take advantage of decrease in competition who try to cheat the system in whatever way. So, I agree, slow and steady, good content put out consistently, and done white hat is what the successful people on the internet doing from here on out…

  14. Posted June 23, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Hey Chris, I’ve heard of videos being taken down for a violation of ToS without ever giving an explanation, though I do not know about entire channels or accounts being deleted without good cause.

  15. Posted June 23, 2011 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    I have a facebook friend who made his own personal videos almost daily about a subject he is an expert in (not Marketing and no spam software)… His account was closed without notice or appeal. He even had his thousands of facebook friends sign a petition to youtube… No luck, and all of those years of his own creativity down the drain.

  16. Posted June 23, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    @sb, I would love to talk directly with your friend, even interview him or her on my blog.

    Could you have the person contact me at 480 634 5728, my office phone or email me at chris@keywebdata.com

    Love to actually talk to someone who was kicked off…

    Chris Lang
    Founder and CEO at Gadget MVP
    chris@keywebdata.com
    480 634 5728

  17. Posted June 23, 2011 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    I have been following Chris Lang for a number of years, and am so thankful for his guidance on how to use the internet for blogging and for adding videos to YouTube. We may disagree on some things, but I when he tells me not to do something or to go change something because I did it wrong, I listen.
    Chris has always stressed to do things the right way, and follow the rules.
    I hate to see anyone lose their hard work. However when people are doing what seems to be the impossible, then Google usually ends up questioning it, and investigating it. I am not sure why anyone would think that they can out smart Google.
    I hope that people who were legitimately kicked off Google can manage to get their channels back.

    I know my cousin got mad once because they took all the “borrowed” music off of his videos. The videos were not the same without the music. We just have to know what the rules are and live by them. It is their court and they can decide who gets to play on it.

    End of story.

  18. sb
    Posted June 23, 2011 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    By the way, I also wrote to Mark Deliusee of VD TubeFool with a link to your blog, asking him to address this to his members… and he wrote back simply “nah, thats nonsense.”

  19. sb
    Posted June 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    And Yes, I have sent your request to my facebook friend.

  20. Posted June 23, 2011 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Thanks SB! And thanks for getting feedback on TubeFool. Great to have both sides of the story!

  21. Posted June 23, 2011 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    My accounts are still live. It’s great to see that Google is finding a way to take out these tactics which have been harming the internet and honest webmasters.

  22. Posted June 23, 2011 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Chris for the heads up! I’ve just been plugging away at all of my social interactions including Youtube and have had no trouble, so I’m glad to hear that I’m doing the right thing.

    You have certainly taught me alot about the right and wrong way to go about things… esp. on Youtube. Since I have over 100 videos on there, I would hate to lose it all!

    I too would like to hear both sides!

  23. Posted June 24, 2011 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    Hi Chris

    I am pleased to say that I was lucky enough to have followed your advice over the years and played the game according to the rules. My Youtube channel is essential to my on line business as all of my clients sites feature YouTube videos as one of the main features of the site.

    I have asked a few of my Buddies and none of them have as yet been effected, but from my experience there could still be a lot of reviewing going on at Youtube so maybe there will still be some more casualties to report in.

    The one thing that does annoy me constantly with google though is the total lack of support when it come to this sort of thing, like, woosh..your gone….goodbye…There is never any appeal process, google just ignore you, they dont even bother to tell you why you were effected other than their standard “your suspended” notice. If they were a bit more Pro active and actually sent you a message telling what you what you were guilty of then it would make life easier for everyone, including google.

  24. Posted June 24, 2011 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    Geoff, I learned that if you can’t take being kicked off a social site then you should not play the social game with Digg in 2008.

    If your business is so dependent on an outside source then you don’t have a business, you are an affiliate.

    Just be sure to keep good source files and backups and forget about it.

    The same goes for Facebook, too many are building complete businesses around that platform. Same can be said for Google search…. Diversify your traffic or sooner or later you will lose….

  25. Posted June 24, 2011 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Chris been following you for a little over a month wish I would have dicovered you before then . Spam and software span is always going to get cuaght eventually. Thanks for the pointers on how to do it ethically with the intent to provide a good exprience as an attraction to create win win value across the board.

  26. Posted June 24, 2011 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Hi Chris

    I have have all of my videos backed up on my server, and I also have them placed on alternative video sites, just in case.

    So what I should have said is that YouTube is heavily “featured” as the main source for videos on my sites because YouTube is the most searched site for videos.

    Yes it would be a big loss if they (Youtube) closed my channel down, but I aint stupid enough to rely entirely on one source for “Anything” any longer.

    What I was trying to highlight was the fact that google have a nasty habit of having “no mercy” when it comes to infringing “terms of service” and offer no help in interpreting their terms either !!

  27. Posted June 24, 2011 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Hi Chris

    Here is a channel which was shut down.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_YGETiOag

    and this guy sent me a message via YouTube offering ME advice on how to rank well on YouTube ….

    I dont think I will be taking his advice

  28. Posted July 1, 2011 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Hi Chris, great conversation here about this issue. I commented on Paul Colligan’s blog post about Darren being shut down too.
    I agree with you that spammer software is a big reason for getting shut down. I have another theory that might cause someone who is NOT using spammer software. YouTube will automatically shut down anyone with a certain number of complaints. Since they don’t have enough humans to review all of the complaints – it doesn’t matter if the complaints are legitimate or not – your channel gets shut down and you need to petition them to restore it.
    Just a theory, but based on the number of honest folks being shut down without explanation, it’s obvious that this is an automated process with no human intervention.

    If I hear anything else, I’ll let you know.

    Chat soon!

  29. Posted January 28, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Hi Chris,

    If this is true, using a software can get you kicked off of Youtube, then we are all doomed. For example, NigaHiga (everyone knows Nigahiga, being the No1 channel on youtube in terms of highest no. of subscribers), lets just say I want to get Nigahiga kicked of youtube. I sit at home and use a software or fivirrr to boost the views of Nigahiga’s videos…this will result in him getting booted of Youtube?! right?! Dam! Now none of us are safe. Youtube needs to take better approaches to cleaning up it’s system.