Really, don’t buy it.
UPDATE:This has been one of the most successful conversations ever on this blog. Be sure to read the comments as this is what a blog post is about, a discussion. Not to mention it turns out Jack Humphrey can write a comment longer than one line…
Because real social marketers already invented this long before he did.
Buy Simon Ford’s two thousand dollar product.
Buy Mari Smith’s fourteen hundred dollar product.
Buy Paul Colligan’s YouTube product.
These people deserve your money.
Follow what Jack Humphrey does in social media, he invented most of what you see everyone spouting off as their own too.
They invented this stuff that you saw last nite.
Do not run out and spam the crap out of YouTube after what you heard last nite either. Yes, YouTube is is a social site.
Yes YT does have a friend system. It IS Google Friend Connect.
If you do YouTube wrong, you are going to have a list of spammers all spamming YouTube for rankings and you are all going to get slapped down just like anyone doing the same with social bookmarking.
Buy from the real gurus in social marketing that have been using this stuff for a long time and know how to do it right.
Don’t use software to inflate your Tweeps, and YouTube friends, Google is on to that one to that too.
Learn how to do it right from the ones in the trenches.
Not to mention my little site will teach you everything you need to know about YouTube in Google searches and associate it with Google Friend Connect since it is GFC that runs the social stuff on YouTube.
For a lot less too…
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Junk like this will get you banned on YouTube too.
http://tubeinator.com/
I can’t believe after the social bookmarking slapdown the same people are coming back with the same junk.
YouTube already has a “add a friend” speed limit on it. Using junk like this is only going to get your YouTube account closed as a spammer. This is not Digg we are dealing with, THIS IS GOOGLE.
Like Jack Humphrey said, “I don’t poke grizzly bears with a stick!”
I’m new to this, Chris, but it made me suspiscious that
GFC wasn’t mentioned once during the call. Still, I find
Perry easy to understand. I wish I could understand you
just as easily, Chris, because I sense that you are the
better source. The call did inspire me, however, to become
more involved in social media, and I find the ideas of
branding and rainmaking compelling. Are you with me on that?
Chris, this post took balls…I dig it man! Way to go! I am sick and tired of the incestuous relationship marketing gurus have with each other…every time a guru has a new product launch my email box is like a coked-up orgy of “Buy from me and get $20,000 is freebies.” Usually the $20,000 in freebies is the same crap they just sold you two weeks ago for $2000.
Bravo Chris
Damien
Hi Chris, I agree with you 100% – do not buy Perry Belcher’s Social Media product — the real deal is in Simon Ford’s, Mari Smith’s, Jack Humphrey’s products! Thanks for posting this!
There are other reasons not to buy from Perry Belcher. Too bad
there are so many lazy people stupid enought to pay convicted felons
ridiculous amounts of money for recycled advice:
http://mikeyounglaw.com/wp/2008/04/16/perry-belcher-the-arrest-of-an-internet-marketer/
http://www.saltydroid.info/category/perry-belcher/
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22perry+belcher%22+scam&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Another word of advice from Chris Lang.
Ok, now back to the meeting (What meeting you ask? The pretend meeting of course…).
Hello my name is Rocque.
You say: “Hello Rocque.”
I smile shyly and continue, “I admit it I attending the meeting last night with Perry Belcher. Yes I was there, and I was there early, but I sat in the back because I had double booked engagements that night. I had to leave early.”
I listened intently because I am a knowledge junky, although I know I can quit at anytime. I have this overwhelming thirst to attend webinars for subjects I am interested in and subjects that I teach so I can stay on top of the trends and the progress of the fast paced internet.
I have followed Chris Lang for a few years now. Do I have to admit that I stalk his blog posts and his videos, and his favorite hideout with Jack Humphrey? Well ok, I admit that, too. Remember though don’t judge me just yet, I am still claiming innocence here.
I did learn a few things last night that I had not learned on my own or by reading Sean Malarkey’s book, or from Chris Lang. I learned most of this for free!
I also admit that I am not a multi millionaire, and I still have my day job.
If I had 3000 to spend and was a total newbie at I might go for what Perry is setting up. That is a lot of money for anyone right now. I also admit that I have spent a lot on “education” over the past 9 years on the net. I am still learning.
There are a few of us who have not mastered the style of Perry Belcher. He is a marketing genius to many. If 1000 people buy a his course in all the different price ranges he will make more from that then I will make in my day job over my lifetime of working it.
Now I will cry!
I believe in Chris Lang and Jack Humphrey, and if you are one of their followers, you know you can get that value right here. Chris helped me set up a blog and more than one landing page! How much did I have to pay Chris Lang for that?
I will let him tell you, because I do not want to insult the man.
Seriously though, before I buy I listen to people I trust, and right now that is only 2 or 3 on the internet.
Chris I think I just joined you on that limb you are sitting on. However like I tell my blogging class: Even a turtle knows that you have to stick your neck out if you want to get anywhere.
I appreciate what Perry Belcher shared last night, and I thank him for his information. It was awesome, and for the gifts for attending. I will definitely use the information and it was time well spent. I applaud him for setting this all up, and the investment that I know he must have put into it in time and money.
That is a nice type of generosity. I thank the people who can afford the thousands to participate in his venture, and the affiliates who will make some money. You are all helping the economy.
It might take those of us who can not afford all this a bit more time to get there. However if you are sad because you can not afford Perry Belcher’s course, please, take the time that you can and read what Chris Lang and Jack Humphrey and a few others put on their blogs for us all to learn from
Buy Chris a beer, and buy me a Sonic Mango Breeze.
Thanks for reading.
Rocque
All of you make sense here. I can see the value of social networking. but I can also see all this hype with Perry Belcher. I got at least 6 emails today from him. The last one said there was only 14 positions left in the mastermind program. I am still trying to decide what to do. I am not a techie, and I do not have a lot of time to figure all this stuff out. Bottom line, is there someone else out there that can set all this stuff up for me as good ore better then Perry Belcher can, whom I can talk to and for less money? If so, please call me immediately at 206-841-9976. I am serious.
Well done and as I read it I can hear your voice saying it since I have watched your videos.
Add value and go to the sources..yes the people in the trenches are certainly the best place to hang.
I think you have always done that too.I work with Simon, Love Mari,haven’t heard of the others so
thanks for the directions.
Rebecca Happy
I tend to agree with manyof the comments here. I have looked for some time for someone who actually knows how to build a huge list on the internet. In the meantime, I have over 20,000 subscribers using tried, true, and perhaps basic internet marketing.
The problem I have is that most of the many courses I have purchased tell you you are stupid if you can’t succeed using their methods. They provide so much content no one could possible do everything they say, so they get to keep your money and get off the hook. We all think it is our fault it didn’t work.
I agree the same old incestuous group of internet marketers are making millions our of affiliates who make a few dollars selling on or two of their product. They have thousands of these affiliates who make nothing! It seems the purpose of most of these guys is to build to the next hit on your wallet, and each one is bigger than the last! I am still looking for someone genuine who can mentor me to build my targeted niche following from the current 200 newbies a day.
Right now I am in the market for a guide to building solid links.
I will keep reading the stuff, but I am getting very reluctant to pull my credit card out again! Well done Chris. The voice of reason does exist.
I would be reluctant to pay 3K for anything right now.
In the past I have paid more then I care to mention for ebay training,
and another company that was going to guaranteed that I made my money back
or they would keep training me til I did.
Well the training til I did consisted of me scheduling appointments with
specific questions.
Well when you are starting out, you really do not know what to ask.
You just want to know why is no one visiting, why is no one buying? Right?
Online success does not happen over night. You do not flip a switch for success.
You work at it. All the gurus did not flip a switch for instant success.
They networked and made connections. They all made sacrifices to get where they are. It has taken me a long time to find mentors I stand by. Success online takes a lot of learning. That is my opinion. You always keep learning because there is is always something new.
This is why following people like Chris Lang is a good thing. He spends hours a day researching, then shares his knowledge. Watch out he will call you at 3am to share something. I think now he just posts it.
Consider this when something is being offered to a limited number of people.
If the number is limited, then why are they still taking affiliate applications?
If 1000 people are joining at the same time, what sort of support are you getting?
Is there a support desk? Will someone answer your questions before you plop down the money? Is there a phone contact number? For 3K there should be a phone contact number.
I hate to rain on anyone’s parade, however I am speaking from personal experiences. I would love to plop down 3k and have someone set everything up for me and have the money come rolling in. Where is your personality coming into this? Since I am not trying this, I really do not know all the details of what the support will be like.
I suggest you send them an email and find some questions to ask. Tell them you are extremely interested but would like a response to your questions first. If they won’t respond before they get your money how will they respond after they have your money.
I have done that before and when you are serious and they respond, even if you miss their deadline they will make room for you. However get that email out now. Ask if customer service is available on weekends or something. Mainly you want a response.
Again, I enjoyed the information they shared and they were really generous with it. You are doing great by visiting this blog and commenting because you are meeting some good people just by doing that. You will find there is a lot of help out there when you just comment on blogs, forums, and other sites. Most blog owners will share a lot just for FREE.
Do not be impatient for success. Be persistent and it will arrive. Keep asking questions, and find good people to follow. They are out there.
Thanks a mil for the kind mention, Chris. It’s so fascinating to watch the social media industry free-for-all just now. I guess the same happens with any new “gold-rush” industry. I’ve never been a fan of any kind of system that takes away from building honest, genuine, human relationships. Of course, there’s room for everyone and peeps have to do their own due diligence. At the end of the day, for me, it’s about quality not quantity. Interestingly enough, when you focus on quality, the quantity comes naturally.
Cheers,
Mari
Thanks for sharing a bold and contrarian viewpoint. It is important that one do there due diligence on any purchase (especially this big). What everyone can take away (learn) from this is how Perry sells, he is effective, regardless of the discussion on the validity of the product or quality thereof. The guy can sell.
It is also worth remembering that during the gold rush, the most profitable entreprenuers were not the gold diggers, rather the ones selling the shovels.
@Mari Smith,
Good to hear your view on this Mari. Jack Humphrey told me on the phone that if I was going to go after the big dogs with my Google Friend Connect Surf Club members site, that I would have to weather this kind of thing.
Jack told me if I cannot take watching the gurus prop up someone that never did what you, Simon, Paul Colligan, Warren, Jack himself and tons of others invented, I should pick up my toys and run home crying to Mommy. At the end of the day, I know who broke ground in social media that was before never trod.
I am the newbie here, you guys are the pioneers and the leaders that inspired me to carve out my own niche. I never wanted to make money on the Internet. I wanted to be like you all that lead the way into new marketing venues and helped others keep their businesses alive in these trying times.
Sloppy with sentiment, but from the heart.
@Rocque, So what are you doing tomorrow morning at 3am, I might have a little time on my hands and most have learned to shut their phones off just in case Google throws me a bone…
@Travis, yep, you are right. Shovels made more money than the actual gold and when the gold ran out, they sold them tickets on steamboats back to where they came from after they failed. And booze to drown their sorrows.
Perry pulled off what none of us social media authorities could not. He cracked the gurus and became one of them. I have studied how he did it thoroughly. In the end he kicked our butts. Gotta give credit where it is due. Tough to swallow, leaves a bad taste too…
I had a feeling this was coming. Funny how everyone else has no stomach to bring up what we’re all thinking. Good job Chris. And I know this isn’t a “stunt” to get noticed. I know you know, as well as many others, that this is first and foremost, marketing.
Not to bash anyone for finding a hot niche and creating a product, but that’s just what this is. I prefer to learn and work with the ones who brought us this “niche” to capitalize on and use it to build real fans, die hard customers…
I also prefer and recommend everyone work with people who were passionate about social marketing well before and gurus got their hands on it.
There is absolutely nothing new in social marketing that isn’t covered well by people who were telling the world it was going to be a big deal when other marketers and site owners were laughing at the idea.
If you’ve never taken a course on social marketing before, you’ll learn something here. But it’s what you learn that’s key. Autobots to build Twitter following are a recipe for disaster. Chris and I proved this already, separately.
Smash and grab won’t work in social marketing, which includes having people set everything up and do it for you. That’s not genuine. It’s a fake presence. And it is always easy to spot. And people don’t respond to it (with credit cards or clicks).
Perry is an awesome marketer. He’s done a stupendous job of getting people on board to promote it and his lead generation funnel is completely pro.
The social marketing advice and training comes after all this though. It isn’t LEADING the charge, but rather following a brilliant marketing campaign. That’s the difference between the passionate pioneers and the marketers.
How much more could you learn from a passionate enthusiast with a track record of success as opposed to a marketer who’s taking another shot at selling “social media marketing” to people?
Depending on who you are, how much money you have, and how much you have to learn, maybe quite a bit. Maybe not much at all.
Most of us know that marketers are out there to make money and will do almost anything to convince you that what they have to offer is the best things since a peanut-butter-jelly sandwich, but if you think you fool us into believing that you are not, then you’re delusional. You’re telling us not to throw money at Belcher’s product (and rightfully so), but in the same breath, you are plugging products for Ford, Colligan and Humphrey. How much are you getting for that Chris?
Be honest with us – and yourself. All of you marketers sell the same recycled, regurgitated stuff to the public by giving it unique and fancy names. Jack Humphrey is no different (I’m on his list), nor are you. If I sign up for your list, I’d probably be getting the same hyped up promotion emails from you as well.
perry belcher has an interesting history as well Selmedica – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Belcher’s Co. that got shut down elmedica – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Belcher’s Co. that got shut down
Great marketer it appears, but what does he really know about the social web? There is a herd online that will follow if you can create enough buzz and get others behind you…but at WHAT COST?
Thanks for all the info!
I was feeling bad that I didn’t have the $3k to invest right now and afraid that I was really missing the boat!
Glad to hear that there are lots of other sources of equal/better info available in this field.
@Max Ikbal,
I do not sell hyped up junk. I am the ONLY WhiteHat social bookmarking advisor there is. When everyone else spammed social bookmarking sites to get traffic, I was the one that said “Don’t do that!”
I dare you to find another expert, authority or wannabe that will explain to you how to use Google Friend Connect to make money and bring personal, one on one, valuable contacts into your business. Find one, I will give you my full course for free. $1997 bucks worth!
Also, you might notice that there are no links to Mari’s, Simon’s, Paul’s, Jack’s or anyone else’s products. They are my competition, why in FRAKING hellfire would I link to them? I also dare you to find even one affiliate link on my site. I sell my one of a kind products, I do not schlep affiliate links. I already failed at that, not going to waste my time again.
Hence, I compete with the best. It makes my products better because I am a nobody. I am just a regular guy just like you.
At the same time, your comment is the most valuable on this entire thread. You have brought insight that every marketer on the Internet better take to heart. Hype, pitch, push, and what ever else you want to call it. Listen to this guy, I am….
Here’s how pathetically desperate the so called “Gurus” are to make money:
Eben, I used to absolutely used to love you as David DeAngelo.
But this is complete BULLSHIT!
Guru of social media? Are you FRAKIN kidding me?
More like cash cow!
Unfortunately the REAL gurus (me included) were not smart enough to crack the guru “Good Old Boys Club” and get you social marketing Gilligan’s Island cast-aways to endorse us.
Remember Gilligan’s Island? What ever they did backfired and most of it was made out of coconuts.
If there is one piece of original thinking in the entire course, and you can prove it to me, I will give my course for free so you can learn even more.
Hello Chris..
First I want to say Thank you for sharing your voice.. You have brought such value to the Social Media circle.
Second.. Thank you for sharing there are other resources we can go to to’ find similar and better information at a more reasonable price.
Third..
I have learned so much from your courses. They have a unique and powerful perspective on how we can influence our businesses in such a beneficial way.
What can I say but “Thank You” for your contributions. It is obvious how much you have put into to your work. Your authentic approach is raw and core driven to bring the best cutting edge information to us.
Keep on shining, and shedding light into the new age of Social Media it is much appreciated.
To your Success and Sending Smiles^_^
Margie D
Also Travis brought this to light the other day as well. Seth Godin who is always right on with unique marketing advice totally show us he has no idea how social marketing works.
http://www.marketingprofessor.com/social-marketing/seth-godin-speaks-frankly-on-social-networking-and-business/trackback/
Be sure to read my comment on this post.
Thanks for the nod Chris,…
Firstly,…
Perry’s Belcher’s a convicted felon. The same social media he’s cashing in on came back to bite him this week. I think its poetic justice.
I’ve watched some people take issue with people syndicating news of his conviction across social media which I found confusing. As leaders in social media isn’t it our obligation to syndicate news that’s newsworthy to our audiences. Remember, we do ask people to follow us. Our reason is that we’re a source of recent, relevant and quality news in our niche. That is of course, unless some people actually believe strangers give a **** about what they’re actually doing now.
If anyone who’s in social media doesn’t think a convicted felon,… Someone who’s been charged for having ripped off thousands of people who purchased products he sold across the internet is newsworthy? Please,… tell me who you are so I can un-follow you.
Add to this story the fact these victims did not receive what they were told they were paying for (over the internet) then the news becomes a scoop. This is well before it becomes the story of the month when we throw in the fact that this same individual has just had the nerve to ask us all to pay him 1 million dollars for another product he’s selling over the internet. One year later. I mean please. Is there any dignity left in the world???
If anyone was glad that they heard this news before they weighed up a decision to give or not to give Perry $3000 of their hard earned money. They had an obligation to distribute this news to others. How else do they think the news got to them?
Now that’s off my chest.
Why does someone selling social media marketing strategies market his own course through old school internet marketing “big list” owners?
I mean. If Perry cannot sell 1000 seats to his own course through social media marketing strategies then why the hell would anyone be foolish enough to believe they’re going to get rich off his course? Isn’t his product launch campaign in contradiction of his product?
This consortium of list owner’s work in packs; they clearly have no problem promoting people who have been convicted of fraud if it means they earn a dollar. They share their lists; they produce products annually and split the revenue between the gang over a year. Promote 10 launches a year, get 50% off the other 9, pay 50% on theirs and meet up in Paris for Christmas each year. Those on these lists who don’t know any better have their inboxes attacked by 30 emails each time one of them launch. They feel like nothing else on earth is happening at the time.
Well here’s the sad news to those who gave Perry $3000. That’s not social media marketing. Perry said in his own sales video. A fraction of a percentage of all people using social media actually earn money off it directly then he markets a course telling you he will teach you how through email.
Call me funny but something just doesn’t add up for me when I do that math.
@maxikbal , Chris Lang has taught me the basics of social media .Tirelessly I
might add! He is amazingly smart .
I used to ask him why he didn’t do affiliate marketing and he told he just wanted to stick with his own product. Through the course of the year I have worked with him he has told me about all the other gurus and NEVER given me his affiliate link!
I orginally met Chris in a Facebook discussion group so we were total strangers and I was a total newbie listening to every word he said. He could have easily profited from me with affiliate links for everything, but he didn’t . I had to respond to you about him too being an affiliate . It is just NOT the case!
If an adult needs someone’s help online or some coach their a loser.
All these people make me sick. I would rather jump off a bridge head first
then to suck up and give my money to any of these clowns.
Funny how spammers and trolls say their stuff isn’t.
A product ? please these people don’t care about you and it’s a scam
do your own work and deal with the results good or bad and move on.
If your stupid enough to send people money for crap send me some.
thanks
I never met a Guru that I liked or was legit PERIOD
I am pleased to see that there are others who also question why anyone would sell a high ticket social media course using old school internet marketing. I have wondered why I did not see Perry Belcher on the social media sites promoting his course. In stead he had the IM gurus promote his course through their lists.
I know that if I want to learn the ins and outs of social media I want to learn from someone who is walking the walk. So I don’t have to unlearn it again, before I can get it right.
On a different note, if you want another explanation of the workings of GFC, you should check out this Google Friend Connect video. It may help you understand the message that Chris is sending you.
@Simon Ford, exactaly my point! IF Belcher built an email list of 58,000, a Twitter follower list of 100,000 and has Facbook friends breaking the door down to friend him then why does he need to enlist the aid of the gurus to sell his stuff? It seems all those social followers would be more than enough leads to sell a measily 1,000 copies.
@WhitneyPannell, Thanks for the good words on my behalf. Oddly enough Max’s email handle is MarketingMax. Great email handle for a marketing player hater.
Again a number of things come to mind here.
If Twitter is not a mailing list then how come when Ashton Kutcher sent one Tweet last week with a URL in it the site got over 20,000 visitors in a day? Anyone with an almost 3 million Twitter member list could do the same.
First, if you have never been front page on Digg, even once, don’t offer Digg advice.
Second, if you cannot sell products, I don’t mean make thousands of friends, I mean sell products using social media, don’t offer advice.
Third, go look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself “How much money did I make from my contacts on Facebook and Twitter last month?” I ask my consulting clients this when they ask me how much time should they put into social media.
If you cannot answer the question with exact dollars and cents figures then you need to stop what you are doing and go back to Internet Marketing 101. If you cannot open an analytics program on your computer and tell me how much money you made from Facebook within 60 seconds you have no business here. That is the first thing you learn in 101 is to track how your traffic sources convert.
Not to blow my own horn here, but in 2008 I took KeyWebData.com from 5 visitors on January 1st to over 20,000 a month by September 3rd. I also sold almost $5,000 worth of product on Labor Day weekend, the worst retail month in the US.
How? Because I treat social networks for what they are, just another mailing list.
I have over 60,000 followers across 10 different platforms, these people do not want to chat me up, they want to get updates to my leading edge free content on my blogs about (guess what?) Google Friend Connect and social marketing.
My social followers simply want to consume my content and advice thru social media, rather than an email Inbox.
What we have is too many Chiefs in Social Marketing and not enough Indians. Sales is the proof in the pudding. If you are not selling thru social media then why are you giving others advice on how to do it or saying it does not work?
I DO NOT teach anyone how to sell, I am NOT a marketer. I teach you how social media affects SEO and how Google Friend Connect can be used for the same and as a list builder. Just to clear things up….
Chris,
As much as i like your honesty, it is an opinion that like many in our circle make and thats a little biased.
I have read and absorbed these comments and noticed a couple of things.
1. This has been nothing more than a character assasination of a rival (no i am not a Belcher groupy either)
2. Those who are in SM already like Simon U Ford went straight to the point in his opening “Perry Belcher is a convicted Felon. Which is very personal and irrelevant to his teaching ability I feel. Does he also feel as Strongly about Ryan Deiss who is the silent Partner in this venture with Belcher.
3. Mari Smith at least kept her response a tad more diplomatic.
I bought the course and i am enjoying it. I don’t care what anyone else tells me unless its from a source I TRUST. I confess that until I did some digging myself I had never heard of either Simon or Paul although you have come across my radar some time ago.
Now I am getting started in SM and as someone with the course to guide me I have seen very little yet that causes me to become alarmed. The proof they say is in the pudding. So i will let you know how it goes and what I find that is shall we say – less palatable within the program.
Thanks for the headsup and your opinion of course.
Kevin
Hi Chris
yes I have read all about circumstantial evidence about perry
but one thing rings clear he and mike dillard are co workers, and I came across Mike through Joe Schroeder same with people like Diane Hochman
Truth is I have 3 people on facebook who will help me no matter what
Perry Belcher, Ross Golberg and Perry
now you know my history with Jack, Jacks called me a dick head and says ill never succeed
but I have 3 pages complete for a dog product on google
now people dont have to take what anyone says as de facto, and you know the web can play games
but i have never had one bad word from Perry
now Im not gonna say Perrys white as snow , many have skeletons in closet
but the likes of what Perry and Ross have taught me lots
and as for copying peoples ideas
michelle mcphearson has been promoting different niches ala Howie Schwartz
can you name me a film today doesnt have some throw back to an earlier movie
heck the terminator films use Isaac asimovs 3 laws of robotics he Invented in 1950’s
if people expect to buy stuff from someone whose white as white then they have problems
quit finding ways to attack people and get on with YOUR BUSINESS
people arent forcing you to buy anyones products
Loved this post Chris! I am one of your paying subscribers and will continue to be. Especially enjoyed the intelligent comments by a number of people here – many of whom I have come to trust over the years for providing great advice and excellent value. Keep up the great work! Thanks!
George
@Kevin,
You said “This has been nothing more than a character assassination of a rival”
You might notice that I have yet to mention any legal woes of Perry Belcher. AND I WILL NOT.
I have published EVERY Comment without editing a single word. Anyone caring to support Mr Belcher is welcome to do so and I will gladly publish it just as I have every other one that was submitted. You might notice I dared anyone to prove that there is anything original in any of we saw of what you bought.
I will gladly review and retract anything I have said here or anywhere in a Internet second, always have, always will.
If anyone would try to hurt anyone’s character or reputation with anything untrue it would hurt them more than it would hurt Perry. That kind of shit just backfires on you every time. They don’t like rats in prison and we don’t like them much here either.
This is no attempt at a character assassination and I have very limited reach in the world of the Internet. If I wanted to assassinate someone’s character I would have gone right for the jugular in my post above.
Kevin, this is a discussion of social marketing and in my estimation the so called gurus attempt to prop up one of their own rather than the real social marketers that invented most of what they we use now well before I (me, Chris Lang) ever came along.
Everything in the Webinar was invented by some else, that is my issue and that is not an assassination of a competitor, that is calling BS, BS.
Hope that makes sense and clears the air Kevin.
P.S. Commenting with you keywords is so last year, makes you look like a comment spammer….
@Kevin,
Don’t buy Perry Belcher’s Stuff? Oh yeah, the Headline, that is called a Subject line, get’s emails opened and blog posts read. It is inflammatory, works real well. Creates interest, gets things stirred up and as you can see from this post it worked well. I could have produced the most vile lies in the world about Perry, he still would have sold out in two days. This is called a conversation and it has been a good one, if I do say so myself. You might notice that the mention of Perry’s past has been mentioned and we ARE NOT Discussing it.
You might notice that Perry Belcher is NOT a competitor of mine, or Jack Humphrey’s, Mari Smith’s or Simon Ford’s. No where on my site will you find even one claim that I know anything about selling anything. I am a Google Analyst, I figure out what Google is doing and how using WHITEHAT techniques we can profit from it in the long run.
Perry Belcher and I DO NOT compete for the same audience. Nor do I or Howie or Michelle. I don’t sell social bookmarking spam software, I told you all about 500 times not to use that junk last year and never will spam Google. I am in this for the long tail, not to go get my sites and profiles banned by Google. Messin with YouTube is Messin with Google. Good luck if that is how you want to market your products, but it ain’t my cuppa tea.
@Chris Lang,
In fairness Chris you are absolutely correct. YOU did not character assassinate Perry Belcher. I apologise unreservedly if that was the impression. I was however referring to Simon actually Someone you extole to be a founder of Social Media with a solid reputation is entitled to their opinion. It just looks and sounds like sour grapes especially in view of the Felon attachment.
I share your opinion on the oldboys network which operates within the online marketplace. Mike Filsame, Yanik Silva, Shawn Casey are cases in point and i could also include Jeff Walker and Jeff Johnson too. These are the powerhouse JV people who we would all like to emmulate. I prefer to learn from them and then do my own thing. No one knows me and I like that to a certain extent. I only want to profit from my endeavours and provide a solid support network to my customers. I don’t spam, solicit or sell crap to poor unsuspecting newbies. I was one myself a little while ago so I know how that goes..
With regard to the “Comment Spammer” I think we both know different here. I do still use this tactic occassionally without malice and without any dishonourable intent. I appreciate you candidly reminding me that marketing tactics change but i still find the old ones remain useful occassionally.
I thank you for the debate and I will as i promised keep you current as Mr belchers course unfolds.
Regards
Kevin
@Kevin, Great response and thanks for the reply and input. I look forward to hearing more from you at any time. The “Comment Spammer” line was just again stirring the pot. I toyed with that myself on blogs last year, but I decided that branding “Chris Lang” was the way to go.
I had the “Good Old Boys Club” conversation last year with Paul Myers and flat out told me I was full of shit. He said that simply does not exist and that it was simply a matter of the big guys not knowing me personally.
The other side of the coin is my Inbox with the Reese, Kern, Pagan, StomperNet quadruple team. (that is a double, double team) Guaranteed, Everytime, if I get an affiliate link from one, the other 3 are NEVER far behind. Expect them to pummel your Inbox next pushing The 30 Day Challenge. Just got the first one from Kern. And don’t get me wrong, I really loved Pagan as David DeAngelo and Kern is a master. I own his $2000 product.
As far as Jeff Johnson and Jeff Walker, I actually like those two, they are who got me started with social bookmarking two years ago and who turned my lack of focus into what I now love (how social indicators affect Google rankings).
In the end all I want to credit where credit is due. I could have done the presentation that Perry did, but then you all would be writing these kind words about me, not Perry. I could easily have built a 10,000 Twitter following with software, but I dumped that crap.
I have spent 10 years to come up with something totally original that no matter what NO ONE can say I did not. I may never make millions with it but at least know that I was the first to discover and figure out what Google is up to with Google Friend Connect.
But then I have much bigger plans than to sell a freakin info product the rest of my life….
It is awful to sing the praises of someone’s social media expertise (such as some have done here about Perry Belcher) when that person as abused the privilege of interacting socially with people who trusted him to sell them medicines only to find that he sold them fake pills. This guy is not someone I would say such nice things about. I don’t care if he’s a genius, to me he’s a crook and I have removed myself from his mailing lists (and also I won’t be reading Ryan Deiss emails since he is working with hime now).
Socially, marketers should actually think about the people they interact with as real people and not targets for selling marginal or illegal products to.