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	<description>Social marketing tactics, tips, tricks, tools and strategies by social bookmarking expert, Chris Lang</description>
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		<title>By: Acoustic Guitar Stands</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-59777</link>
		<dc:creator>Acoustic Guitar Stands</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 May 2010 08:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! I&#039;m just starting out in community management/marketing media and trying to discover how to do it nicely - resources like this article are incredibly helpful. As our organization is based in the US, it?s all a little bit new to us. The example above is something that I be concerned about as well, how to show your own genuine enthusiasm and share the truth that your item is helpful in that situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! I&#8217;m just starting out in community management/marketing media and trying to discover how to do it nicely &#8211; resources like this article are incredibly helpful. As our organization is based in the US, it?s all a little bit new to us. The example above is something that I be concerned about as well, how to show your own genuine enthusiasm and share the truth that your item is helpful in that situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3631</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jack,

I would hazard a guess that your 339 links are PR 3, 4 and 5 sites.

While my PotPieGirl has created most of her 7000+ links through Squidoo and blog sub-pages that carry 0 PR and some with unranked (greyed out) PR.

You know I am a tracking and testing nut, my tests don&#039;t always have definitive results. However, I am going to take the time to count PR on your 339 so I can see what you did right.

As far as your PR leakage, I still want to know how much link juice Google gives DoFollow comments, they have to know that they are comments that we ourselves create.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jack,</p>
<p>I would hazard a guess that your 339 links are PR 3, 4 and 5 sites.</p>
<p>While my PotPieGirl has created most of her 7000+ links through Squidoo and blog sub-pages that carry 0 PR and some with unranked (greyed out) PR.</p>
<p>You know I am a tracking and testing nut, my tests don&#8217;t always have definitive results. However, I am going to take the time to count PR on your 339 so I can see what you did right.</p>
<p>As far as your PR leakage, I still want to know how much link juice Google gives DoFollow comments, they have to know that they are comments that we ourselves create.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Humphrey</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3617</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Humphrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a megaton buttload of leaks but I still have a PR 5.  Plus Google is only showing a count of like 339 links to my site lol.

I&#039;m not at all convinced the PR leakage is real.  The only no follow I have on my site is in CommentLuv links and the links on my Top 50 Video Sites list.  

Now I don&#039;t even know why I even have there in THOSE places.

Dunno - I am proudly no SEO expert to the level people might think I am.  If someone shows me how to get a PR 6, as little as I care about PR, I will take it as a vanity plate.  

But just remember, we make over $100k a month with all our leakage and low PR sites, so ask yourself if this much of a focus on PR is productive or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a megaton buttload of leaks but I still have a PR 5.  Plus Google is only showing a count of like 339 links to my site lol.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all convinced the PR leakage is real.  The only no follow I have on my site is in CommentLuv links and the links on my Top 50 Video Sites list.  </p>
<p>Now I don&#8217;t even know why I even have there in THOSE places.</p>
<p>Dunno &#8211; I am proudly no SEO expert to the level people might think I am.  If someone shows me how to get a PR 6, as little as I care about PR, I will take it as a vanity plate.  </p>
<p>But just remember, we make over $100k a month with all our leakage and low PR sites, so ask yourself if this much of a focus on PR is productive or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3608</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RssPieces detailed this http://www.rsspieces.com/real-estate-blogs-and-reciprocal-linking-penalties-does-google-hate-your-link-love when I wrote the &quot;How Google ranks blogs&quot; article. Realtors had the great idea of trading blogroll links. You blogroll me and I blogroll you.

Then they watched their blogs sink in the results. Blogroll reciprical linking is pretty well detailed as having led to bad Google results. Not my testing but some pretty reliable others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RssPieces detailed this <a href="http://www.rsspieces.com/real-estate-blogs-and-reciprocal-linking-penalties-does-google-hate-your-link-love" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsspieces.com/real-estate-blogs-and-reciprocal-linking-penalties-does-google-hate-your-link-love</a> when I wrote the &#8220;How Google ranks blogs&#8221; article. Realtors had the great idea of trading blogroll links. You blogroll me and I blogroll you.</p>
<p>Then they watched their blogs sink in the results. Blogroll reciprical linking is pretty well detailed as having led to bad Google results. Not my testing but some pretty reliable others.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frangos</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3607</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Frangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 01:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris -
Thanks for the reply and the discussion.  The tough thing is to make decisions based on what Google &quot;might&quot; be doing with its formula, since you can test and make an educated guess, but it may change at any time.  On this point, I have another question.  You stated in your reply, that reciprocal bloglinks are the worst thing you can do.  What evidence do you have of that?  Thanks again for the conversation.
- Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris -<br />
Thanks for the reply and the discussion.  The tough thing is to make decisions based on what Google &#8220;might&#8221; be doing with its formula, since you can test and make an educated guess, but it may change at any time.  On this point, I have another question.  You stated in your reply, that reciprocal bloglinks are the worst thing you can do.  What evidence do you have of that?  Thanks again for the conversation.<br />
- Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3602</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

I did not dig into her links since this was not a full site consultation. However in observation I find it suspicious that over 7,000 links have brought her a PR of 3. PPG is running a simple test, has ripped out all that crap, (I just love that word, 4 letters that says so much) and we shall see if she rises in rankings.

Who really knows what happens in Google. What I try to teach is to run some kind of comparative testing. Come up with a test of your own, even if it is to screen shot your SERPs standings. I have four different online testing tools that are free and very high powered that you can do this with in my &quot;Social Marketing Search Engine Tactics&quot; eBook.


You can read SEO crap like this all day and come away with nothing more than marketing incest. That&#039;s where one guy like SiFishkin writes it, I blog about it and then 10 others blog about what they read here and then 10 others and then 10 others.....

Pretty soon we are all reading a diluted incestual pool of backwoods sister spawned brother&#039;s mother&#039;s uncle&#039;s guy next door regurgitation. ROFLOL

As far as the blogroll goes: PPG had linked to all her other little sites like eBay, (5 or 6 in all) this was a bad move. Google uses the blogroll as a positive or negative indicator. I used to use my blog roll to link to sites like Andy Beard and SiFishkin. These are two of the blogs I follow every day and I was linking up. My blogroll only contained A list blogs. This can help you. Plus I only link to A list blogs in posts. In PPG&#039;s case, she was not only linking down to affiliate programs and eBay, she was linking to sites that weren&#039;t even blogs.

Plus if you use the sidebar on every page then there is the blogroll producing a link on every page. 5 links X 200 blog posts = 1000 outgoing links for no frakin (battlestar galactica reference) reason.

Also reciprocal blogroll links is the worst thing you can do. If I add you to my blogroll and you add me to your blogroll then Google says &quot;they just did that to get the link&quot; and then we are both lessened in Google&#039;s eye. I guess I could call this linking incest.

If you have more questions don&#039;t hesitate to ask. If I am wrong in my findings then I am open to disscussion and will come right out and admit it when I have opened my big mouth a little too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>I did not dig into her links since this was not a full site consultation. However in observation I find it suspicious that over 7,000 links have brought her a PR of 3. PPG is running a simple test, has ripped out all that crap, (I just love that word, 4 letters that says so much) and we shall see if she rises in rankings.</p>
<p>Who really knows what happens in Google. What I try to teach is to run some kind of comparative testing. Come up with a test of your own, even if it is to screen shot your SERPs standings. I have four different online testing tools that are free and very high powered that you can do this with in my &#8220;Social Marketing Search Engine Tactics&#8221; eBook.</p>
<p>You can read SEO crap like this all day and come away with nothing more than marketing incest. That&#8217;s where one guy like SiFishkin writes it, I blog about it and then 10 others blog about what they read here and then 10 others and then 10 others&#8230;..</p>
<p>Pretty soon we are all reading a diluted incestual pool of backwoods sister spawned brother&#8217;s mother&#8217;s uncle&#8217;s guy next door regurgitation. ROFLOL</p>
<p>As far as the blogroll goes: PPG had linked to all her other little sites like eBay, (5 or 6 in all) this was a bad move. Google uses the blogroll as a positive or negative indicator. I used to use my blog roll to link to sites like Andy Beard and SiFishkin. These are two of the blogs I follow every day and I was linking up. My blogroll only contained A list blogs. This can help you. Plus I only link to A list blogs in posts. In PPG&#8217;s case, she was not only linking down to affiliate programs and eBay, she was linking to sites that weren&#8217;t even blogs.</p>
<p>Plus if you use the sidebar on every page then there is the blogroll producing a link on every page. 5 links X 200 blog posts = 1000 outgoing links for no frakin (battlestar galactica reference) reason.</p>
<p>Also reciprocal blogroll links is the worst thing you can do. If I add you to my blogroll and you add me to your blogroll then Google says &#8220;they just did that to get the link&#8221; and then we are both lessened in Google&#8217;s eye. I guess I could call this linking incest.</p>
<p>If you have more questions don&#8217;t hesitate to ask. If I am wrong in my findings then I am open to disscussion and will come right out and admit it when I have opened my big mouth a little too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frangos</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3589</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Frangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris -  thanks for a thought provoking article.  I have a couple of questions:

- You stated that my the quantity of incoming links (7252) that PPG&#039;s site should rank higher (see first comment above).  Why?  I thought the formula was much more sophisticated and included the value placed on incoming links (ie. if most are PR1, then they are not of much value).

- You have said that you should &quot;delete your blogroll.&quot;  Why do you advise that?

Thanks again for this important SEO conversation.  - Scott</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris &#8211;  thanks for a thought provoking article.  I have a couple of questions:</p>
<p>- You stated that my the quantity of incoming links (7252) that PPG&#8217;s site should rank higher (see first comment above).  Why?  I thought the formula was much more sophisticated and included the value placed on incoming links (ie. if most are PR1, then they are not of much value).</p>
<p>- You have said that you should &#8220;delete your blogroll.&#8221;  Why do you advise that?</p>
<p>Thanks again for this important SEO conversation.  &#8211; Scott</p>
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		<title>By: Malathy Badri</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3297</link>
		<dc:creator>Malathy Badri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 07:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sir,
I completed reading this post with some difficulty. In the beginning of this post, I liked your view on what exactly PR means and why you really don&#039;t give much importance to it.

But I could not find out what you are driving at in your latter part of the article.

I think I will have to read it again.

Thanks anyway for the insight.
Cheers.

ps:BTW, do you follow me? (Smile)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,<br />
I completed reading this post with some difficulty. In the beginning of this post, I liked your view on what exactly PR means and why you really don&#8217;t give much importance to it.</p>
<p>But I could not find out what you are driving at in your latter part of the article.</p>
<p>I think I will have to read it again.</p>
<p>Thanks anyway for the insight.<br />
Cheers.</p>
<p>ps:BTW, do you follow me? (Smile)</p>
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		<title>By: thefluffanutta</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3011</link>
		<dc:creator>thefluffanutta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 21:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote &quot;If Java document.writes an a tag, it is a link.&quot;

This is not so. The Googlebot does not &lt;i&gt;render&lt;/i&gt; each web page that it crawls, and does not parse any Javascript. All it sees is the raw HTML, and if you look at the source my blog (for example), you will see no links to MyBlogLog. Looking at PPP&#039;s blog on Google Cache, it&#039;s exactly the same. The Bumpzee and Blogcatalog widgets were also invisible to Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote &#8220;If Java document.writes an a tag, it is a link.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is not so. The Googlebot does not <i>render</i> each web page that it crawls, and does not parse any Javascript. All it sees is the raw HTML, and if you look at the source my blog (for example), you will see no links to MyBlogLog. Looking at PPP&#8217;s blog on Google Cache, it&#8217;s exactly the same. The Bumpzee and Blogcatalog widgets were also invisible to Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
		<link>http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=86&#038;cpage=1#comment-3000</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 17:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those items while well written are from 2005. Good God, Google Blogsearch and the current Google patent had not been written yet. The way Google ranks blogs and Blogsearch is all new since then.

Take a look at this: http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=71 How Google Ranks Blogs.

Matt Cutts will say that this does not apply to Websearch but I do not believe that to be true either.

Too many things from the Blogsearch patent affect blogs both negatively and positively in Websearch that do not apply to static web pages and I have PROVED that to be true. Like social bookmarking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those items while well written are from 2005. Good God, Google Blogsearch and the current Google patent had not been written yet. The way Google ranks blogs and Blogsearch is all new since then.</p>
<p>Take a look at this: <a href="http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=71" rel="nofollow">http://www.keywebdata.com/?p=71</a> How Google Ranks Blogs.</p>
<p>Matt Cutts will say that this does not apply to Websearch but I do not believe that to be true either.</p>
<p>Too many things from the Blogsearch patent affect blogs both negatively and positively in Websearch that do not apply to static web pages and I have PROVED that to be true. Like social bookmarking.</p>
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